裡面還有一段對話滿好笑的(30:25),CoronaVac 的臨床實驗是 Phase I/II 合在一起,通常是 Phase I 安全測試過了以後,換一批測試者做 Phase II。SinoVac 是一二期一起做,第一期只有七天,七天後如果沒出現問題就進入 Phase II [5]。然後其中一位就說,因為是用 inactivated viruses,如果真的有問題的話,七天後試驗者可能就掰掰了,既然七天後沒人死,就表示疫苗算是安全的。XD
(33:50) "... that the Chinese government enlisted army personnel for at least one of the phases for their trial and I thought we were critical of that for a while, but I think that's no longer a criticism."
".... yeah, we got a lot of pushback from people in China who said this is often done and it is often done, but they said it was licensed and it was actually a Phase II trial, so they should have just said it's a Phase III trial, right? instead of saying it was licensed for you."
"I think the issue there was is it okay to do that in troops, ..... I think I pointed out the U.S. can't exactly get on a moral high horse about what's been done."
還有一段莫名戳中我的笑點,是討論到 Phase III 是在中國、巴西和土耳其做的,最近還加了印尼。
(44:10) "I don't think they had enough cases in China to do the Phase III, right?"
"I think because at that point the pandemic was really under control such through lockdowns in China, they were actually having a hard time getting cases for their clinical trials, but uhh unfortunately, plenty of other countries had plenty of cases."
之後駱馬小抗體的部分是討論德國研究團隊於上個月發表在 Science 的研究。之前有提過駱馬除了正常的 IgG,還有一種只有 heavy chain 的抗體 HCAb,以及釣出小抗體的噬菌體展示(phage display)。